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Patreon Should Buy Substack to Save Creators

The solution to the problem of social media is to build something better

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David Herman about 1 year ago

Amazing post Evan. Desperately needed by all constituent parties. Two strings, I think, are worth pulling on and giving some more thought to are dealing with the big platforms and the whole consumer attention piece. Yes, creators need better, broader, richer incentives. Revenue sources should be broadened and multiplied. More monies should flow faster, further, and more voluminously to creators. Your point about a creator middle class is critical. Tiny pieces of other tiny pieces controlling large pieces might be good for someone, but is necessarily bad for everyone else, especially creators and audiences. Operating a creator business, I also agree, should be far less cumbersome A bc we have the tech to do that and B bc great content takes time. My concern is that despite all this there still appears to be a collective “hands in the air” capitulation to bigness (of the winning platforms) and attention (ours). If things were normal out there, I suppose, we’d have to accept this. But things are far from normal and it’s more than the 50% of Americans who endeavor to decrease their social media use over the next year. Parents and schools are finally starting to say no the crack cocaine we hand our children when they’re barely old enough to buy a lollipop on their own. People, en masse, are tiring of the algorithmic control of their lives and the war on their attention. In fact, I’m starting to see a war on the war for our attention. I’m thinking that any newco roll-up strategy with designs on fixing the creator economy has a better chance of doing so by also trying to address the broken pieces of the consumer economy. Bigness for the sake of swapping one big thing for another big thing a/o one giant piece of our limited attention for another, I fear, will only bring us right back to where we started.

I don’t profess to have the answers, and I do think your patreon/substack proposal has a lot of merit. Further, I fully understand the desire to eat big platform’s lunch, but if that ultimately results in newco just becoming bigco 3-5 years from now, whose lunch was actually eaten?

@deleted_138234 about 1 year ago

…while also breaking up the Meta ecosystem and getting these highly successful and highly aggressive units to compete among themselves instead of using information from one to boost earnings in another…
(PS Good post! Anything that can promote creators is a good idea!)

@ej_3321 about 1 year ago

"We need a new attention aggregator that increases creator earnings and incentivizes creators to produce thoughtful, long-form, sane content. There needs to be a creator economy startup that goes right for social media’s throat."

It's called beehiiv...

Evan Armstrong about 1 year ago

@ej_3321 that’s not quite right—Beehiv is an email first SaaS tool. An attention aggregator has a primary app that consumers use to interact with all creator content.

@AI & Life about 1 year ago

In all seriousness... keep that garbage site away from Substack. If Patreon wasn't part of the problem, Substack wouldn't be what is it. Keep those grubby, dishonest hands off.

AIQUIS GOMES about 1 year ago

I don't think this propose solves the problems because this NewCo would still be highly dependent on other social media platforms to drive audience. I'm not bought in the argument that just a join of Substack and Patreon would be enough to increase Substack to a position of a content hub where people go directly (no more than it is today).

What if Automattic acquired Substack? It’s another interesting thought experiment.