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#40 - Engagement is the ice cream, polarization is the vegetables

By Dan Shipper Talk Therapy

Dan Shipper is the CEO and cofounder of Every. Every week he explores the frontiers of AI in his column, Chain of Thought, and on his podcast, ‘AI & I.’

By Nathan Baschez Talk Therapy

Nathan Baschez is the cofounder and CEO of AI word processor Lex. He cofounded Every, was the first employee at Substack, and co-created Product Hunt.

Talk Therapy

#40 - Engagement is the ice cream, polarization is the vegetables

Taking a hard look at Substack’s top ten after yet another chaotic week for media (and for everything else), Dan and Nathan dig into the Pub

Dan Shipper

Nathan Baschez

Nov 1, 2020 · 1 min readUpdated Jul 27, 2026

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Taking a hard look at Substack’s top ten after yet another chaotic week for media (and for everything else), Dan and Nathan dig into the Publisher v. Platform debate. Is it possible to reduce the harm done by platforms when you don’t even have a metric to measure it?