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What Jhana Meditation Feels Like—From the Inside Out
Jhourney cofounder Stephen Zerfas on what Jhana feels like, where it can go wrong, and how AI could make the practice easier to learn
Dec 17, 2025 · 7 min readUpdated Jul 27, 2026
TL;DR: Today, we’re releasing a new episode of our podcast AI & I. Dan Shipper sits down with Stephen Zerfas, the cofounder of Jhourney, a company aiming to make life-changing meditation accessible to more people. Watch on X or YouTube, or listen on Spotify or Apple Podcasts.
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Stephen Zerfas’s eyes are closed as one tear rolls down his cheek. “I for years have softly cried while meditating,” he says.
Live on this episode of AI & I, Zerfas is guiding himself towards Jhana—an altered state of consciousness that he describes as “gentle ease and slipping into gratitude, the relief of coming home.”
Zerfas is the cofounder of Jhourney, a company working to make this kind of meditation more accessible to people through retreats, one of which Dan Shipper attended in June.
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