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Transcript: ‘The AI Model Built for What LLMs Can't Do’
‘AI & I’ with Eve Bodnia
Apr 15, 2026 · 23 min readUpdated Aug 17, 2026
The transcript of AI & I with Eve Bodnia is below. Watch on X or YouTube, or listen on Spotify or Apple Podcasts.
Timestamps
- Introduction: 00:00:51
- Why correctness and verifiability matter in AI: 00:02:09
- What an energy-based model is: 00:09:33
- How EBMs construct energy landscapes to understand data: 00:14:21
- Why modeling intelligence through language alone is a flawed approach: 00:19:00
- What it means for a model to “understand” data: 00:26:54
- How EBMs solve the vibe coding problem and enable formally verified code: 00:37:21
- Why LLM progress is plateauing: 00:43:21
- Mission-critical industries haven’t adopted LLMs, and why EBMs can fill that gap: 00:49:54
Transcript
Dan
Eve, welcome to the show.
Eve
Hi. Thanks for having me.
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