TL;DR: Today weâre releasing a new episode of our podcast AI & I. I go in depth with Nabeel Hyatt, a general partner at Spark Capital. We get into the qualities shared by remarkable products and the teams that build them. Watch on X or YouTube, or listen on Spotify or Apple Podcasts.Â
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As a general partner at Spark Capital, Nabeel Hyatt backs just one or two companies each year. Â
But when he does invest, Nabeel picks winners. He was an early investor in Discord, video editor Descript, self-driving startup Cruise (acquired by General Motor for over $1 billion), and, recently, AI note-taking app Granola.Â
Nabeelâs investment thesis is to look for products like the Japanese toilet.Â
Donât fretâSpark Capital hasnât pivoted into the sanitaryware industry. Nabeel isnât looking for startups that are disrupting plumbing.Â
Rather, just like Japanese toilets, heâs looking for products that delight users with new experiences they didnât know they wantedâand if his past investments are anything to go by, Nabeel has a good eye for that.Â
On my recent trip to San Francisco, I sat down with Nabeel to talk about the qualities shared by remarkable products and the founders that build them, why he chooses not to invest in more than a couple of startups a year, and how heâs actually using AI in his daily life. Nabeel is one of my favorite people in AI, and this is one of my favorite recent conversations. Itâs a must watch for founders who want to build useful AI products with soul. Here's a link to the episode transcript.
Watch on X or YouTube, or listen on Spotify or Apple Podcasts.Â
If you want a quick summary, hereâs a taste for paying subscribers:
Why Nabeel only invests in a couple of companies a year
The first sentence on Spark Capitalâs websiteâstretched across the page in a sharp, angular typefaceâis: âWe know there are no playbooks, rulebooks, or formulas.â The idea that there is no blueprint for success in startups is core to Nabeelâs investment strategy. He believes that the journey of every founder is unique, and to appreciate its nuances, you have to be in the murky details with them. Nabeelâs commitment to this belief organically limits the number of companies he invests in. âThe proxy is if youâre a startup CEO or running a small org, you can manage eight or nine reports where you understand everything theyâre doing, and outside of that, the edges get fuzzy,â he says.
Speaking to the risk of betting on fewer companies than the typical VC, Nabeel explains that the entire point of venture capital is risk: âThe whole point of this thing is risk, accept the risk and go do the work you want to do with good people.â
What qualities remarkable founders share Â
Investing in a few companies comes with the responsibility of choosing them well. When evaluating potential opportunities, Nabeel describes three ways in which innovation shows up in the real world (inspired by ad executive Rory Sutherland):Â
- âFaster horses,â faster ways of doing something that already existsÂ
- âTeleportation,â making something new that people want but donât know how to getÂ
- âJapanese toilets,â an unexpected, compelling solution that people didnât know they wanted.Â
His recent investment in Granola falls within the last category. Itâs not the first AI notetaking app to exist, but the product gives users an intuitive, delightful experience. âIâm wandering around and trying to find the Japanese toilets of AI,â he adds.
The Japanese toilets of AIâor useful products with soulâare built by startups that balance listening for feedback with action. Nabeel describes a spectrum where some founders are highly attuned to feedback but hesitant to act, while others are filled with energy but ignorant of feedback. Having invested in founders like Chris Pedregal from note-taking app Granola, and Andrew Mason from Descript, he says that they âmove while listening.â The patterns Nabeel has noticed in pitches from these kinds of founders is âthat theyâre telling you insightful reasons why they put things into the product that you would have never normally thought of from customer development calls.â
How AI helps Nabeel explore unlikely pursuitsÂ
Nabeel is a venture capitalist, parent, and avid board game enthusiastâand AI has broadened the horizon of things he can do. Heâs working harder than ever at Spark Capital, building a card game with his kids, and opening a board game library in San Francisco, a physical space dedicated to playing games.Â
The interesting thing is that some of these projectsâlike the board game libraryâhave nothing to do with technology, let alone AI. Still, Nabeel explains that AI has made it easier to set up the library. The tools heâs used so far are:
- OpenAIâs o1 pro as a legal advisor to review drafts of a lease agreement
- Claude and AI code editor Windsurf to create simple apps, like to predict how many customers might visit and what prices theyâd be willing to play
Why AI should rise above quick answers
Nabeel talks about the need for systems that provide an overview of the subject area in which theyâre prompted, rather than jumping straight to solutions. In other words, an AI optimized to provide context that will help users make decisions, instead of simply providing very specific answers as fast as possible. He describes a side project he built using Wordware, a platform for deploying LLM applications and Spark Capital portfolio company: a tool to help founders make decisions. Nabeel trained the AI on specific knowledge regarding best practices in decision theory. When prompted, the tool will present users with three or four relevant decision-making frameworks, make a recommendation, and guide them through implementing the chosen method. âHelp me learn from the things other people have used to structure whatever discipline they have been working on for a hundred or two hundred years,â he explains.
How to know when you can trust LLMs
When deciding whether to trust the AI heâs working with, Nabeel approaches it much like he would a human. He asks the model how confident it is in its answer and prompts it for reasons on why it could be both right and wrong. âThat usually gives me enough information, which, proxying back to human behavior, if you don't understand something, get somebody to explain their logic around it a little bit more and you can kind of try to figure out whether they made an error or not,â he says.Â
You can check out the episode on X, Spotify, Apple Podcasts, or YouTube. Links and timestamps are below:
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- Listen on Apple Podcasts
Timestamps:
- Introduction: 00:01:32
- Why Nabeel doesnât invest in more than two companies per year: 00:01:50
- Why the words you use to describe your business matter: 00:06:49
- What a product with soul looks like: 00:13:45
- Patterns in the remarkable founders Nabeel has invested in: 00:16:48
- How Nabeel evaluates popular coding agents: 00:24:12Â
- AI has broadened the horizons of what Nabeel can do: 00:32:29
- How funding models are changing as AI makes it cheaper to build software: 00:36:28
- Nabeelâs framework for when to trust an LLM: 00:45:43
- Â Guide AI to provide context (and not just quick answers): 00:55:39
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