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TL;DR: Today weāre releasing a new episode of our podcast AI & I. Dan Shipper goes in depth with Will England, the CEO and CIO of Walleye Capital, one of Everyās consulting clients. Watch on X or YouTube, or listen on Spotify or Apple Podcasts. Hereās a link to the episode transcript.
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If you arenāt putting ChatGPT to work, youāre leaving money on the table.
Thatās the message Will England, CEO, CIO, and managing partner of Walleye Capital, sent to his 400 employees. At his $10 billion hedge fund, using AI is a requirement.
England believes AI can make his employees at least 20 percent smarter right nowāand heās pivoting his whole firm to use it to its maximum extent. (Our consulting team has been helping him do this. If you like what you read and want to help your team do what Willās doing with AI, weād love to hear from you.)
In this episode of AI & I, Dan Shipper and England talk about why he believes AI will help his team have an edge and how to lead a firm-wide pivot to AI from the front. England shares how he uses LLMs to write memos and evaluate risk with his team, as well as his larger vision for turning Walleyeās institutional knowledge into a living, searchable intelligence system. England also reflects on the history of technological change and what past transitions, specifically the period between the Civil War and World War I, can teach us about navigating this one.
You can check out their full conversation here:
If you want a quick summary, here are some of the themes they touch on:
England believes AI is the inevitable future of work (00:06:36)
In March of 2023, a Walleye analyst told England he was trying to automate his job with GPT-3. England was skeptical, but after the analyst demonstrated how the AI made him more efficient, England knew that integrating AI into human workflows was the future. āYou need to have a sense of belief, you need to imagine, you need to be able to dream, but if you understand the problem youāre trying to solve and the tools that are availableāthis is absolutely where weāre going,ā he said.
(That analyst now leads Walleyeās most advanced firm-wide AI tool, called Current, which ingests large amounts of data about a stockāearnings call transcripts to information from brokersāand helps portfolio managers make sense of it).
To illustrate the point of having a little imagination about how AI will fit into your work, England draws an analogy to a character in his favorite childhood Disney movie, Merlin from The Sword and the Stone. Merlin is a wizard who can see fragments of the future but not the steps it takes to get there. England feels like the Merlin of Walleye: āItās impossible for me not to believe that in five years, firms that do what we do wonāt be heavily integrated with best-of-breed AI technology,ā he says.
What āAI-firstā means inside Walleye (00:15:15)
Shopifyās CEO published an internal company memo with expectations for employees to integrate AI into their work, and itās since become something of a meme. Englandās memo for Walleye started with the line: āI used ChatGPT to write this email, you should be using it too, and be proud of it.ā He said not using AI today is as shortsighted as refusing to use the internet in 1995 because it wasnāt perfect. England told his team that using ChatGPT is a āmagic elixir that makes you 20 percent smarter instantly,ā making it clear that it isnāt ācheating.ā He made AI fluency mandatory across the firm, for anyone who āthink[s] for a living,ā whether in investment roles or not.
What I especially liked about Englandās memo was his call out of the fact that using AI isnāt cheating. Itās a common hang-up that if something feels too easy it must in some way cheapen the work done, one Iāve felt too. But as England explains, the point is to free up time for higher-leverage thinking, like strategy and creativity. He also emphasizes that while these tools arenāt perfect, waiting for perfection is a mistake; in fact, the edge goes to people who start early, flaws and all.
How England practices what he preaches (00:27:00)
England is leading by example when it comes to using AI, starting with how he writes. England thinks best by writing, and LLMs have made that process quicker: a memo that once took five hours to draft may now take him 15 minutes. His process starts with listing bullet points of what he wants to say. Then he uses a language model to help turn his ideas into polished prose, often giving it context of drafts heās written in the past. The value England sees is letting the AI handle the linguistic syntax, so he can spend more time thinking the concepts through. āThese tools donāt negate the necessity to think⦠if anything they should just give you more time to think,ā he says.
England has also been thinking about how AI figures into Walleyeās decision-making process. Heās part of a daily call to monitor the firmās riskāits positions in the market that might lead to potential gain or loss. The team has been recording these calls with the objective of using AI to process the transcripts and surface insights discussed on previous calls and find patterns across them. This is part of a broader vision England calls "Borg," a nod to Star Trek (and yes, heās disappointed if you donāt get the reference): a rich collective data source built on what the firm sees and says.
Hereās a link to the episode transcript.
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Rhea Purohit is a contributing writer for Every focused on research-driven storytelling in tech. You can follow her on X at @RheaPurohit1 and on LinkedIn, and Every on X at @every and on LinkedIn.
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